Whitcomb & Shaftesbury Bespoke Navy Wool Savile Row Classic Fishtail Trousers LNWOT BIG GUYS Paolo Martorano Bespoke Mid Grey Fresco Hopsack Explorer Pants #1 LNWOT BIG GUYS Paolo Martorano Bespoke S110s Italian Wool Draped Gabardine Pants + 69.35 Postage + 2.22 VAT will apply Shop with confidence eBay Premium Service Its not the end of the world, but it certainly bugs me to face an issue which I did not face with RTW- a collar gap. It sounds like it might also be due to the fact that this was your first experience. They look very good and suit your face and style, Francois Pinton, though I wouldnt necessarily recommend them based in make. There isnt necessarily a third fitting, but there will usually be one or two small things that its worth refining if its your first suit. Hi Calvin, The idea was to empower women and make them the primary wage earners in their families. Looking back at this, would you still have gotten the suit in 13oz instead of something like a 10/11oz? Do listen to the tailor when you talk about it as well. Their classic, bespoke suits and coats will be accurately fitted to the exact measurements of your body. There were two more fittings in NY with Bob (got the suit at the end of the second one). Fit is very good and I find the level of make and finishing not too far behind my other English bespoke suits. Their sessions do include fittings. The navy suit turned out lovely and is a comfortable business staple. So I would go to Sexton for their style, and to Whitcomb for theirs. These might include intricate monograms, unique button placements, or other personal touches that make the suit truly one-of-a-kind. Though no, its a noticeable but not huge difference to go for 11oz rather than 13oz, I have suits in both. Thats the reason why I considered W&S, but I dont like the drape cut. Hi Sam Back in October there was a lot of interest around my post on the bespoke service at Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. I question, upon reflection, if you can go to Spain and Italy (and India via W & S) might we see a time when you take into consideration the many fine UK tailors at points outside of London. Thats a really great question, and very useful experiences of bespoke too. If those people want that product, they now know exactly what they need to pay for it 3,050 (the price of the Savile Row Bespoke product) rather than 1,350 (the Classic Bespoke). Our bespoke suits are made without compromise by the best craftsmen in Savile Row. Those two are often the best ways to communicate style, I really only wear white, which is why we launched with this. Thanks. Next, however, I ran the risk despite your seemingly strong opinion against drawing a tailor away from his natural house style, Simon of asking Suresh to make me an even softer, more Neapolitan style sports jacket. After much internet research and reading your recommendation I have taken the plunge with W&S. See and interact with all Instagram stories @PermanentStyleLondon. ), Thanks for the recommendation of the neapolitan tailors. Thank you for getting back to me. Before you raise an . I can understand why some people dont want a suit where any of it is made abroad. Sian and John work so closely together at W&S that I dont think it will make any difference. And quality is quality, no matter where its sourced. Full disclosure: I did weigh 6kg more when I ordered the suit than I did at the first fitting. Graham Browne is GBP 1050 INCLUDING VAT, ie the difference in price is GBP 500, not 300 as stated in the comments. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury RAF-blue suit: Style . Another is they come and go so a review is only useful for so long. Get the Robb Report newsletter for similar stories delivered straight to your inbox. After reading your reviews, I am definitely considering the W&S Classic Bespoke offering. Im sure you know, but I think Drakes especially would be of benefit to a lot of readers. I havent had a suit or jacket made in a while. Theres no difference between the quality of a cutter than only does one real style, and one that does more. Im sure you have more ideas for content than you can possibly cover, so just a couple of suggestions! To give some context, i am early 30s and now have the income to dabble with a few bespoke pieces; so far, this suit and spectacles from General Eyewear (selected based on reviews on your site, thanks!). I have gone for a three piece with extra trousers in the classic bespoke and this makes me feel happy! The word yachting as well as the concept itself came into our vocabulary quite recently. Used to work with John at Kilgour, then at Thom Sweeney and at McQueen for a bit, So I presume you would have no hesitation in using W&S even if you were not working with John McCabe, Would you recommend W&S for a relaxed soft shouldered cashmere jacket to be worn with chinos and jeans? Like the lap seam down the back of the jacket (an idea I shamelessly copied across from my Chittleborough & Morgan suit). Advice on prospective colour would be welcome! I dont know her which says something. I will give my jackets back to my W&S and Zizolfi for adjustment. Could you also compare the house styles of both tailors? Such are the hassles of bespoke tailoring. Do you see this as suitable for business, or not so much? And hands out of pockets do allow a superior view of cut and style.. nice one. Simon's books and product collaborations are available to buy through the Permanent Style shop. Wow, I think this looks fabulous! Important stitching unfinished and then came undone. If youve seen an example you like from either, however, then go for it. I will still use my other London tailor but certainly plan to include W&S in the rotation. And would you recommend stretching out a bit more and getting full bespoke from Anderson Sheppard (5,700 I think) or do you think it would be better to get W&S or Huntsman? And 100 Hands does shirts in India but as the quality is so high, its still expensive, I had a navy worsted two piece suit made at W&S which was cut by Sian. Youll find a few reviewed here, most obviously W&S, Graham Browne, Choppin & Lodge, and Manning & Manning. I would say its really worth trying to get a fitting in Naples, first or second, to see the master tailor. Your comments in the discussion are helpful in triangulating their merits. Classic Race Simulators Showroom Tripadvisor: Youre really in the market for made to measure, not bespoke. When the auto-complete results are available, use the up and down arrows to review and Enter to select. Solito, Dalcuore, Caliendo and Rubinacci (in ascending order of price! Yes, it was at their basic cost. I had a strict deadline though. Free shipping for many products! Any unique creation is possible from designing your own fabric to printing a customized lining, you can play designer, or you can sit back and let us create a masterpiece for you, enjoying the elegance and style that has come to represent British tailoring. Ill ask. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury bespoke suit review - part 1 of 2 - consultation and commission. This will offer better value than any MTM service, by some margin. Subscribe now and get up to 61% off the cover price. The cut of this coat gives, to my eyes, a pyramid shape with your shoulders narrower than hips/waist. if you have any other suggestions of tailors for morning wear (through word of mouth) I would be super grateful for the input And looking at her site, I have my fears she certainly seems to be a stylist rather than a cutter. Simon document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The blue suitseems to be a popular choice for people in sales professions at the moment. I always try and relax and dont rush my fittings. Custom-made apparel is the product of exact measurements taken for you, instead of an imaginary figure. P.S. But yes, you can certainly request a little less. Keep up the good work! Some of us surely do not desire to try out lots of tailors but love and romantically hatch the idea of naturally having your tailor where you get many different things from over the years and build a trusting relationship. Wempe Teamed Up With Boatbuilder Tim Heywood to Make Two Limited-Edition Marine Chronometers, Rimowa Unveils a New, More Organized Pilot Case for Your Next Short-Haul Trip, The Best-Dressed Men of the SAG Awards, From Eddie Redmayne to Austin Butler. Great service and advice. Im soon travelling to London, and am interested in a soft shouldered jacket or two. How would you compare this to Grahame Browne given the close pricing? The biggest danger is when you get to structural things (eg shoulders) or things that arent linear and therefore easy to describe (eg the shape of a lapel). Thanks Simon, Very compelling offering, thanks for covering. I cant comment on how many of your readers are in a position like me (i.e. Also, is their normally a third fitting?. They seem stylistically similar (soft w some drape), and affordable. Simon. I initially thought I would go for A&S as I love the style and think they would guide me through the process extremely well. But as you say, the biggest differences between all those are style. Whitcomb & Shaftesbury is based on George Street in Mayfair, just a few paces from Savile Row, and offers two bespoke services: its Savile Row Bespoke service, which is made in the conventional fashion in on-site workrooms, and Classic Bespoke, which is cut in London and made in the brand's workshop in Chennai, India. Re your question from Anonymous above, Des had made me a couple of garments. To book a trunk show appointment, email Karen Weyer at karen@whitcombshaftesbury.com. Youll have to contact them. The fact is that I havent had the fortune to connect with any Neapolitan tailors like I have a couple in London, so I asked Suresh what they were comfortable with. Outstanding blog, Simon. Do you still recommend visiting the tailoring/shoemaking house itself, at least for initial consultation? One of your best suits in my opinion! On the style questions, eg pockets, have you looked through the Suit Style series of posts? The little things are not decisive, they decide everything, said the popular actor Harvey Read More, A Detailed Guide to Savile Row suit for Men The company with more than 200 years of history began as a uniform company for the military. This is one thing that has kept me reading your blog youre not a snob (in that way). They opened first in Brunswick Square, in 1806, originally specialising in military tailoring, with particular merit at the time of the Battle of Waterloo. Thats where John worked until 2010, and it is still his style. Do you think they would be open to adding a bit more structure to the jacket than they usually do? Looking forward to know your thoughts. B.) Do you think W&S is better value, better workmanship than Alexandra Wood ( do you know whether AW is bespoke proper, fully canvassed, basted etc ) ? Very nice suit. W&S was at about the same price point without the extra trousers for a super 100 9/10 oz made in seven weeks in India. The only thing youd be looking for is a difference in execution and there are some tiny points there. Fit not good. Hi, Permanent Style - Artisan of the Year 2021 New York 21-24 February 2023 Say, could I ask the tailor whether he would be willing or able to make a Huntsman-style jacket I fear he would feel rather offended.. Or are they at a much higher price point than W&S? I am a long time reader of your blog, and I am delighted to say that I am going to be getting my first bespoke suit this fall from W&S based on your review. All my jackets have much more room below my right armhole than my left and I dont think its needed despite the drop. Your green linen G&H suit is really close to what I like. Hi Ethan, I have however been following this W&S post with interest as I use to use Kilgours semi bespoke service 10+ years ago. The quality is similar, just with the price saving coming from the overseas make (presuming thats what you went for). A Graham Browne suit and a Huntsman suit are traditional, structured English suits. This one, or good value english tailors (for example grahame browne)? Thanks Great width and shape of the lapels with a nice roll, and well balanced gorge (dont you think the modern gorge placement is too high?). I look forward to reading about your experience in the near future. Subscribe to RR1 Live+ for exclusive virtual events all year long (at least 1 per month), conversations with Robb Report editors, special perks, and more. What am I missing? However, they didnt provide much design input during the process, and i really had to manage and push the project along. No, the style is different in other ways too. As I showed back in 2016 when I had suits made in both, there is no quality difference between the two. It seems to have a bit of drape, and the shoulders arent too military? W&S will still be more formal than pretty much anything Vergallo will produce. Alex N. OK, good Alex. 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